Saturday, October 2, 2010

Havah - SPOILER - Book Club discussion


Joy over at Edgy Inspirational Romance is hosting a fabulous Book Club! Click above to check out her blog.

The current pick for the Book Club is Havah - the story of Eve by Tosca Lee.

You can read my review here

I have looked at each of the discussion questions on Havah's website. and picked the following.

1. Before the Fall, how free was Havah to do as she pleased? After the Fall, how did Havah's freedoms become more limited?

I read the first part of this book what seems like a lifetime ago. I know that Havah was free in the Garden to do most anything except of course eating from the forbidden tree. Honestly, I don't really see how her freedoms were limited after the fall. I mean life was tough, she was depressed and it was a hard life but she still had the same basic freedoms in my opinion. We always have limitations but I do not feel that any specific limitations were placed on Havah in or out of the Garden other than the warning of the fruit in the Garden.

After the Fall, she must actually "try" to survive and I suppose that would be a limitation. Perhaps that is what this question is all about. Her choice to eat which led to exile forced them into a different lifestyle. That lifestyle limited their freedoms because they could not simply "live." They had to prepare a home, gather food, tend to the flock and children where if they had stayed in the Garden, all of their needs were perfectly provided for and they had all the time in the world to run, play and just "be."


Joy asked if their was a tipping point in the book. While the book was very unique I can see how it would be uncomfortable for many. I was not bothered by the scenes between Havah and the adam themselves. I was a little uncomfortable with Kayin's feelings. I think this discomfort simply came from it being voiced and not so much because his feelings existed. I think it is a taboo discussion and it's likely better off staying that way so we don't get too comfortable with it ::lol::


Joy Tamsin David said...

Jules!!! Thank you for partipating! I'm glad you loved the book. Don't forget to vote for October's pick in my sidebar.

You're funny, but I agree with you- I'd like some things to stay taboo.

If I get the nerve, I'll tweet the author and ask if there was a reason she put that element in the story.

I wonder if there was a statement she was trying to make, like life gets messy when you disobey God.

Or maybe I'm just reading too much into it.


Thou Art Jules said...

I'm so glad you picked this book Joy! I absolutely loved it. It took me places I've never been and as usual created more questions than answers :-)

If you don't get the never, let me know and I'll ask her! lol

But seriously I don't know if I would've found this book if I hadn't found it through you!

Thanks for all you do!

Joy Tamsin David said...

Tweet sent. :)

Tosca said...

Hi, ladies. :) Got your Tweet--thanks for your question and for inviting me to answer.

For Havah and Adam, intimacy in the garden would have had no shame associated with it. I picture it as beautiful, pure, and free. But I assume that would have changed drastically after the fall. So that perfection has now been corrupted (along with everything else. :)

So now we have a family fumbling around without benefit of role models, norms, social mores, or laws. In fact, Biblically speaking, we don't see laws about incest until after the time of Lot and his daughters. So this is a group that would have been more or less trying to find their way through it all--and making many (sometimes heinous) mistakes along the way.

Hope that helps.

Thou Art Jules said...

Tosca, Thank you so much for sharing with us! What you are saying makes complete sense. I've heard it said that even now in our time, it is suppose to be normal for male children to love their Mothers first and then chose wives even that have similar qualities so having it in the story made sense and perhaps the uncomfortable feeling comes from understanding something that is so wrong now?

Fabulous book! Thanks again!

Joy Tamsin David said...

Awesome perspective! Thanks for chiming in Tosca. Yes, I can totally picture them fumbling around making heinous mistakes. Makes perfect sense.


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